Harry and Karen have been married for 40 years. Harry is a 1980 graduate of the charter class of Victory Bible Institute, a ministry of Victory Christian Center; Tulsa, Oklahoma. Both are 1981 graduates of Rhema Bible Training Center, a ministry of Kenneth Hagin Ministries; Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Over the last 40 years they have been involved in church ministry. They currently reside in Antigua, Guatemala!