Harry and Karen have been married for 40 years. Harry is a 1980 graduate of the charter class of Victory Bible Institute, a ministry of Victory Christian Center; Tulsa, Oklahoma. Both are 1981 graduates of Rhema Bible Training Center, a ministry of Kenneth Hagin Ministries; Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. Over the last 40 years they have been involved in church ministry. Together in 1994 they pioneered Cornerstone Family Church in Fort Collins, Colorado. They currently reside in Antigua, Guatemala!